I'm sure I am biased since I had to carry a Beretta for 17 years, but why do companies keep working on that POS? I just don't get it, but again I have had them fail on me to much to even consider it as a viable option with today's options.

 

Not to be combative, but what kind of failures? I've had literally over 20 of them of varying sub models, and I own 3 currently. In my opinion the 92/M9 is one of the most reliable semi autos ever designed, and they have the track record to back it up. I've put thousands and thousands of rounds through them, carry them, and compete with them. The only failures I've had have been ammo related, either bad crimps on bullets, or one batch of Aguilla that was so undercharged it wouldn't cycle the slide. While not as simple as a Glock, I still think they have a solid place in today's carry guns, particularly if you prefer sa/da. I'm interested in this new version, but not sure if I'm interested in one enough to drop money on it right now.

 

I should have just not posted. When it comes to the Beretta I am like the guy who had to take a M-16 to Vietnam in the late 60's. I am sure that the guns we were shooting had been around since 85 with little to no armorer care. Some of the problems were the trigger bar getting bent rendering a dead trigger. This happened while doing CQB on aircraft carriers where everything is made of steel measured in inch's. I had a slide split and come apart during a night shoot that caused a mess. When we started getting American made magazines they were just junk. That made gathering the Italian mags like a frustrating scavenger hunt.
I also think that a DA/SA gun is just not great. I want every trigger press to be the same with the first shot being the most critical.

 

I should have just not posted. When it comes to the Beretta I am like the guy who had to take a M-16 to Vietnam in the late 60's. I am sure that the guns we were shooting had been around since 85 with little to no armorer care. Some of the problems were the trigger bar getting bent rendering a dead trigger. This happened while doing CQB on aircraft carriers where everything is made of steel measured in inch's. I had a slide split and come apart during a night shoot that caused a mess. When we started getting American made magazines they were just junk. That made gathering the Italian mags like a frustrating scavenger hunt.
I also think that a DA/SA gun is just not great. I want every trigger press to be the same with the first shot being the most critical.

Everything you state is a direct result of the lack of maintenance and poor contract decisions.

Don’t blame the gun…..blame the department and armorers

 

My experience also mimics Wedges. I’ve shot them for 30yrs, carried a type M for years. While I still own some, I don’t shoot them much anymore. Not because of issues, rather just interests waxing and waining.

They have always been one of the most reliable firearms in my safe.

 

Looks like they just repackaged the Billennium…

 

Beretta 92 fanboy here. I own several of them. Mostly older guns from the 80’s and early 90’s. I have a few of the newer models like the 92A1 and the 92X RDO G. I used to hate them but, over time I grew to appreciate their reliability, accuracy and when I learned how to run one… their shootability.

I have found that any of these guns built in Italy or Maryland run 100%. I’ve had problems with the first 92X I bought in 2019, which was made in Tennessee. Failures to extract (1-2) every 50 rds, replaced extractor spring yet still had issues regardless of ammo used and finally a cracked frame rail caused me to send it back. In checking the internet, others have had problems with the Tennessee guns too.

My biggest complaint was the slow customer service. It took six months for Beretta to look at it and send a replacement gun. I don’t know what’s happened to Beretta since they moved, but that was one of my worst experiences with a modern company and customer service.

All that said, the replacement 92X runs 100%, is accurate and just as well built as the other Berettas I own. Maybe the first 92X was made on a Friday at 4pm?

I’m interested in seeing the new Beretta for sure, but I’m going to wait and see how they run first. They have me a little “gun shy” after the last one.

 

The M9 saved my bacon during my career, and I still love that platform today. A lot of people will say “too many failures” and usually they can point that finger at themselves. Failing to do maintenance and inspections.

 

I plan on getting the first run 92xi . Hoping to grab one at dealer price vs paying the premium for a new limited edition first run. Guaranteed these will go up in value imo.

they are not even listed yet on distributor websites

 

My stock 92X Performance is also Absolutely Superb.

 

My stock 92X Performance is also Absolutely Superb.
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Yeah… I shoulda bought that one..$1500 …the 92X RDO 4.2” Centurion felt the same trigger and handle.. $699 sounded better at the time..👍🇺🇸🍺

 

It’s probably worth remembering the reputation of the 1911 in the military at the time the beretta was adopted. Guns that had been passed around and abused/subjected to bad maintenance schedules were being replaced with a comparatively new design, and it seems like the arguments on both sides were similar. Heavy circulation military issued berettas and 1911s probably have more in common with each other than they do with say, a Langdon beretta or a nighthawk 1911.

I don’t know. Rambling thoughts from a noob, but an interesting discussion nonetheless. I don’t think anyone can be begrudged for not personally feeling confident with either gun based on past experiences. It’s just important to remember that those experiences are personal and not necessarily representative of the platform as a whole.

More directly related to the thread, this new 92xi looks like a very cool gun. Hopefully Langdon will come out with a low mount RDO option for it.

 

Never had a problem with mine before or after mods . Maybe I just got lucky .

 

DevilDog unless you are Beretta loyal, have you looked at the Sig P226 SAO?

 

Yes, I had this P226 Legion SAO that I never really liked all that much, I sold it after getting my Langdon Centurion. The Langdon is a keeper.

 

A lot of the issues with the M9 were timing. We did not widely use the 1911 in Iraq. The moon dust sand there was a new thing for US military weapons, and the M9 happened to be the pistol during the desert wars. Had it been some other pistol, we would have been bitching about that one instead.

 

The advantage, for me, of the 92 series design was/is the placement of the slide stop is more like the 1911. When I shoot sig and glock pistols, I find myself riding the slide stop with my thumb, and inducing a malfunction (failure to lock slide to the rear on empty).
Whenever I had to shoot the M11 (sig p228) for qual, I had to shoot it lefty if I had any hope of scoring expert.
I didnt have this issue with the M9 (or 1911)

 

I'm picking one up for sure. The safety on the grip is what I've been waiting for in a 92. I might send it off to Blackbeard Customs for his "Sunken ship" package. They look so cool.

 

They’ve been making DA/SA and SA pistols with frame mounted safeties for a while now.
I just really wish🙏and hope🙏and pray🙏that Beretta would make guns like this new one or others without that infernal huge square rail on it. A nice smooth round frame would be so nice. Make one like that in this new model and I’m in.

 

I’ll probably be in for one of these, but I prefer Italian made like my 92A1. However, my LTT Centurion is about as good as a DA/SA can get, in my opinion. The trigger is outstanding. I have the LTT trigger job in a bag in the 92A1 and it’s quite good, though I had to swap out the hammer spring for 16# due to two primers that failed to ignite on range ammo (both fired on the second strike). Haven’t had that problem with the LTT gun.

I’m also curious about the 80X and may pick one up when there are some hands-on reviews.

 

It's a hell of a great pistol. I can't think of ever having a single jam or issue with a Beretta and VERY accurate. I had several and sold them all--should have kept the INOX!!
Kick myself in the ahz..

 

The "Launch Edition" looks like The One.

92XI SAO Launch Edition

The Beretta 92XI SAO Launch Edition Pistol brings the long-awaited frame mounted safety to the standard Beretta 92 Pistol family of products. Learn more about the ergonomic enhancements to the Beretta 92XI SAO Launch Edition.

www.beretta.com

 

I’ve been checking out the 92X RSO…I’m really starting to dig it.. the 1911 the Beretta, and the 686-7 are my go to favorites .. a cocked and locked 92 Beretta would be a nice addition to the collection.. the price ain’t bad either..👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

 

I wish they’d make a trigger like that for all 92s. That’d be the only way to make my LTT Centurion even better. I’m going to guess this one will be proprietary to the SAO.

 

They showed up today on lipseys website. I signed up for 1 launch for myself.

usually when they show up on lipseys they are close to being sold

 

Owned quite a few beretta's over the years, not one failure that I can think of. I have only owned Italian made guns though so I can't speak to US made beretta's.

 

I guess they needed something to compete with 2011s.

 

A new review video from MD Polo

 

That’s the good one DD… almost bought that one…bought the 92X instead.. 👍🇺🇸

 

So disappointed in mine that I resold wo firing it. A $500 92x is better. My $900 wilson beretta is much better. $1100 for a 92xi Is way over priced for what you get.

 

Sorry to hear that, I wont bother with it then. I have a Langdon Centurion & 92X Performance.

 

Once LTT offers a 92Xi with his optic cut and upgrades, Im in.

 

I am confirmed 92 fan. I have owned over 20 variants and now own about a dozen of them. And I also love the 1911 obviously. So when the 92X performance with franme safety came out I got one. Also had Josh at Allegheny Arms build one a few years back with the 1911 style frame safety. Should be a dream come true.
What I found is it wasn't for me I have literally tens of thousands of rds through the standard Beretta 92's with the slide decocker. I have competed with that format for over 10 yrs. In short I didn't care for it. I want my 1911's to be 1911's and my 92's to be 92's if that makes sense.