I'm with you, my rate is .5 Staccatos per hour.

 

I agree, should you unfortunately ever find yourself in that situation, the value of your carry gun is going to pretty far down the list of priorities and potential losses.

 

It’s cheaper still to just not shoot anyone. I’ve saved money since I woke up this morning.

 

That is always the goal! Hopefully never need it.

 

I agree with you. However, I do draw a distinction between heirloom guns and non-heirloom guns. I carry my Staccatos and Dan Wessons because though my daughter will inherit them one day I am not intentionally handing them down to her. I do not carry my Nighthawks and ACWs because I will intentionally gift these to her one day as an heirloom piece.

 

^^^ What he said^^^ The only exception, of course, would be a BBQ gun to a BBQ.

 

If i won't carry it/use it, I dont have it in the safe. I do have pistols I choose to carry over others. For various reasons weight, size, application etc. And some have specific use cases. My grandfather's old patrol rifle/hunting rifle, JM stamped marlin 336. Its older than I am, its my truck gun. Its worth more to me than any firearm I own. Whats an heirloom without a story, a story of use by the person passing it. To me it would be hollow otherwise and mean much less without the stories, seeing that persan carry and use it.

These are tools after all. Gorgeous tools, but still a tool regardless in my mind. Carry the damn thing! Whats the point of having it if you cant enjoy it. Let the next guy worry about the wear and tear.

 

This is exactly right, heirlooms derive their value from their use by a loved one. I have firearms that are monetarily less valuable but were carried by my grandfather for decades hunting and that makes them priceless.

 

Use the right tool for the right job.

Is a 5000 dollar 5 inch steel gun the best tool for carrying or is simply a dudes version of a Louie vutton purse.

 

el oh el ;D

this ruffian prob has a CS in the little one and an XC with 4x26 round mags, in the other.

"stay strapped or get clapped."

 

There was a poll on here a few weeks ago about what you carry and why. I carry mission specific and what I can conceal with what I'm wearing. NYC Glock 19, inner Phoenix AZ Glock 19, grocery store in shorts, Ruger LCD or a j Frame. I never think about cost. BBQ = one of my 1911s. I carry what I can shoot the best , and has the most capacity in a given situation.

 

i carry everything I shoot don't do range only or collect.

if i ever encounter a 'situation', I'll be pudding my best foot forward. The gun cost/ loss, is a non-factor ;D

i live in the Midwest sticks, so it's harder for me to see the value of carry insurance, since i operate in a (Mayberry) sub-low threat environment.

if I ever move back to the big city (Mt. Pilot etc.) I'd consider it.

for fun, I checked out USCCA.. for $480 a year (.23 Staccatos), for now, ima pass.

i'll just train more and and keep up on my state gun laws, so if a situation comes up, I'll be able to respond, within the parameters of the law.

 

i carry everything I shoot don't do range only or collect.

if i ever encounter a 'situation', I'll be pudding my best foot forward. The gun cost/ loss, is a non-factor ;D

i live in the Midwest sticks, so it's harder for me to see the value of carry insurance, since i operate in a (Mayberry) sub-low threat environment.

if I ever move back to the big city (Mt. Pilot etc.) I'd consider it.

for fun, I checked out USCCA.. for $480 a year (.45 Staccatos), for now, ima pass.

i'll just train more and and keep up on my state gun laws, so if a situation comes up, I'll be able to respond, within the parameters of the law.

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For what it’s worth - I actually just renewed my USCCA and it was $365 or $1/day. I also live in a city with some two legged problems. Like any insurance, it sucks to pay for until you need it.

 

"but Andy, it's too heavy with boolits!"

 

I agree with David's comment above. I'm not carrying my Nighthawks either. Both because they're heirloom guns and because holster-wear is an unavoidable thing. Staccato & HK are the carry guns.

Although I have to admit fantasizing about running the TRS Comp as a carry piece is an amusing mental exercise.

 

I respect it. Although, if it was my dad I’d tell him it better show some wear when you pass it down to me. A safe queen does not tell stories - it may shoot great, but I want to think about him running it hard and loving it.

 

Agree. And were talking about expensive custom 1911s- I have, no joke, seen people buy Taurus because they don't to lose their "expensive" Glocks. Or bought Glocks cause they couldn't stand the thought of losing a Colt 1911

To me the only real downside to a super expensive carry gun- say, 2k and up- isn't just that its expensive, I also have to follow my own iron clad rule of having duplicates.

 

If you are involved in a shooting, the cost of the gun the authorities have in the evidence locker will be very low on your list of concerns.

 

Who created that environment where law abiding Americans need to worry that career scumbags or their family members want to profit from you defending yourself against them?

 

Just having said that or having that thought about losing an expensive gun if I shoot someone has damaged your reaction time! Now what?

 

If you mean a person gets in a situation where they need to defend themselves with lethal force and the first thought through their head is “oh no! My staccato! [insert: NH/Atlas/etc here]” Then I would say that person needs to align their priorities with the reality at hand.

What is $2k/$5k/$10k when your life is on the line? I’m not saying you HAVE to carry your fanciest gun…but if it’s your favorite and the only reason you don’t carry it is because you’re scared it’ll be impounded - that’s silly.

 

As soon as I get some range time and get my Alien Remus sighted in that is what I will be carrying.

 

If interested, here’s an”insurance” a buddy of mine swears by. They have you meet up with one of their local legal associates when you join.

 

If interested, here’s an”insurance” a buddy of mine swears by. They have you meet up with one of their local legal associates when you join.
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They just sold the business to CCW SAFE

 

I hear the same thing as the OP and often find it to be musing. It honestly never crosses my mind, bigger fish to fry. As Dave said above, if you are involved in a shooting the cost of the gun will be far down the list of issues.

 

Going to keep this as short as possible.

People always bring up the fact you may lose your gun (forever or for several years) if involved in a self defense situation. For this reason people say they wouldn’t or you shouldn’t carry an expensive EDC.

I call bullshit. If you end up in a court room over your self defense shooting your lawyer fees for a single day will be more than most pistols - even your semi customs. Source: I’m a lawyer and see what fees we charge (in a small/mid market) everyday.

If a couple thousand dollars will bankrupt you, maybe the story is different…otherwise, run what you got. Self defense shootings are expensive. Get carry insurance.

I’ll step down from my soapbox. Hope everyone has a good weekend.

Well, if you're a lawyer, then the next question is what percentage of self-defense shootings go to some sort of trial?

You hear of instances where the cops show up, realize it was a justifiable self-defense shooting and declare it such, and the good guy goes home. Any truth to that?

 

Going to keep this as short as possible.

People always bring up the fact you may lose your gun (forever or for several years) if involved in a self defense situation. For this reason people say they wouldn’t or you shouldn’t carry an expensive EDC.

I call bullshit. If you end up in a court room over your self defense shooting your lawyer fees for a single day will be more than most pistols - even your semi customs. Source: I’m a lawyer and see what fees we charge (in a small/mid market) everyday.

If a couple thousand dollars will bankrupt you, maybe the story is different…otherwise, run what you got. Self defense shootings are expensive. Get carry insurance.

I’ll step down from my soapbox. Hope everyone has a good weekend.

Well, if you're a lawyer, then the next question is what percentage of self-defense shootings go to some sort of trial?

You hear of instances where the cops show up, realize it was a justifiable self-defense shooting and declare it such, and the good guy goes home. Any truth to that?

I’ll stay in my lane. I do Mergers & Acquisitions and Tax law day-to-day. I have also heard those stories. I’ll be googling that tonight though!

 

my EDC are my arm cannons, I know enough to take someone down and knock em out. Gun is only a last resort against somebody with a shotgun or rifle. Too much liability with guns, my arms are legit weapons or so the ladies say

 

Wait….so a bloody lady looks up at you and exclaims “oh my…what legit weapons you have there!”

 

Carry a good gun that you trust and shoot well. Price of the gun is irrelevant. No snob appeal needed for effective personal self defense, just a weapon that works and user skill under pressure.

 

I think there are several valid points in the thread. One factor that I take into consideration is how the gun will be handled or stored while in evidence. I've seen how one department does not exercise much care in the handling of firearms that are placed in evidence or safekeeping. If I had an expensive handgun get damaged by the police department due to their negligent handling and storage, that would bother me more so than the time I didn't have access to the handgun.

 

I like to recall the statement to the Press of an elderly fellow in the '80s, in Chicago, when CPD confiscated his S&W revolver after using it to shoot two neighborhood teens when they attempted to rob him... "It's OK, I have a bunch more of 'em in the house".

Carry what you shoot best.

Cheers,
Tim

 

How much is your gun in billable lawyer hours? Figure at least $500/hr. A Glock is like 1.2 hours. A $3500 1911 is 7 billable hours. Your bill is probably going to be $500k if the case blows up into a circus. The price of the gun is nearly irrelevant.

I am actually more worried about replacing my Milt Sparks or 5 Shot Leather holsters and gear than I am about the gun due to wait times!

 

That's cheap. I bill in "staccato purchase units" one hour is basically .5 SPU's.

 

I asked ChatGPT what the statistical odds were of using your gun in a self-defense shooting and it came up with 1 in 800-4,000. So luckily, the odds are in our favor.

📊 Odds for an Individual Gun Owner
Let’s say there are about:

• 80 million gun owners in the U.S. (2025 est.)
• If there are 100,000–500,000 DGUs annually, and only a fraction involve shooting, the odds break down roughly as:

Estimate Type	Self-Defense Shooting Odds Per Year
Low estimate (100k DGUs, 20% involve shooting)	1 in 4,000 gun owners
High estimate (500k DGUs, 20% involve shooting)	1 in 800 gun owners

So realistically, the odds of firing a gun in self-defense in any given year are between 1 in 800 and 1 in 4,000.

It also said that in 80% of defensive gun uses (DGU), brandishing the weapon ended the encounter. I’d also guess that where you live (rural vs. city) affects your odds. Personally, I think the odds are much better for us. I’ve had my carry permit for 31 years and only had my hand on my weapon once thinking I might need to draw. It was a false alarm.

 

I asked ChatGPT what the statistical odds were of using your gun in a self-defense shooting...

I hope you know that Chat GPT and other AI engines are like parlor games and should be trusted about as much as that "telephone" game... with AI being that one kid that sometimes intentionally changes the message, just because. It might be close, even close enough, but it cannot ever be trusted.

Cheers,
Tim

 

Interesting, thanks.