[simonp]

I'd wonder what the chances you'd be caught / found if you shot a bad guy ( providing he is a stranger) in a self- defense situation, and didn't report it to a LEO? ? Let them find me & prove I did the shooting.. before talking to the law about it. Seems counter-intuitive that you would report shooting a bad guy, to the law, then have to defend yourself.. if it was right / legal for you to do so. Since you've confessed to the shooting, they then get to decide whether you should be charged with a crime for your actions.
I understand they teach you it's your responsibility to inform the police if you shoot someone in self defense, in CPL classes. Sorry.. that's not something that I consider to be wise .. admitting you shot someone then be grilled if you were within your rights to do so..

I'm sure this may be upsetting to some, practicing a form of self-determined justice..but it is what I feel is right for me. Having known a friend that shot someone that was beating him, then serve time in jail ( over a year) despite NOT being convicted. He shot someone in self- defense, & still got charged. Jailed ,despite not being convicted. Weird case, but insightful for me.

you can try this and tell us how it works out for you, guaranteed when the cops knock on your door it will be a whole lot worse!

Every single person has a camera on their cell phone, most folks have a ring or other video door bell, private business have cameras, cities have cctv and of course there’s just that random person who happens to be walking by or looking out the window - I’d not bet my freedom on the chance no one saw anything

 

[rickytic917]

I respect it. Although, if it was my dad I’d tell him it better show some wear when you pass it down to me. A safe queen does not tell stories - it may shoot great, but I want to think about him running it hard and loving it.

Great statement. Seeing wear is testimony who it came from & memory of that loved person

 

[Tom RKBA]

Gunna try to keep this brief:

If your shooting is justified, then by law you can get your gun back.

Tell that to Fairfax County Police Department. I'm sure they'll start returning guns as soon as you tell them.

 

[ShootinInNC]

actually it’s a small number of LEO that “issue” a weapon.. most have a list where the officer chooses and purchases their own.

I’m gunna have to keep my eye out for this going forward because I genuinely have never met an officer that had the option of what to carry, and I interact with jurisdictions all over NC and have friends and work acquaintances elsewhere as well

 

[ShootinInNC]

Tell that to Fairfax County Police Department. I'm sure they'll start returning guns as soon as you tell them.

Hahaha I guess I should have added “theoretically, if everyone follows the law etc” because some governmental bodies have more of a ‘rules for thee but not for me’ approach to the law.

Technically, it won’t be the police departments decision on when to release the gun, it will be made by prosecutors, but if they are determined not to return the firearm they could repeatedly claim it’s still an active investigation. Not sure they could swing that forever, probably depends on the judge and jurisdiction, but I have homicide cases pending for trial that are four years old so 🤷‍♂️

A defense attorney could probably force them to release the gun eventually but the government, especially if feeling the public heat, will try to screw you to save their butts every time.

 

[Old#7]

I have never worried about the price or how rare a carry gun is. It means nothing to me. Just tools. Although I appreciate good materials, and good designs, I never really get attached to material things. I carry revolvers, mostly due to them being more comfortable to me, and I’m lazy like that. I may be carrying a $1000 revolver, a $3000 revolver, or a cheap LCR. I never think about the cost when I throw it in the belt. I don’t get the cost argument. If I ever had to use it for self defense, the cost of whatever I was carrying is 100% irrelevant.

 

[KTS]

I’m gunna have to keep my eye out for this going forward because I genuinely have never met an officer that had the option of what to carry, and I interact with jurisdictions all over NC and have friends and work acquaintances elsewhere as well

That’s because the vast majority of larger agencies issue weapons, full stop. Smaller and more rural agencies will have a list yes but that’s a bigger pain than it’s worth sometimes.

Some large agencies allowed it and still may but from what I’ve seen from my buddies in all levels of LE have something issued. Which in my professional opinion is better than allowing a list and then expecting the department armorers to know how to fix everyone’s weapon.

 

[Financeguy88]

Counter point... if you are on the stand do you want them showing off a $3-8k gun as "the murder weapon" selling a story about how you were looking forward to that day and potentially looking for an opportunity to escalate the situation?

Not saying carry a glock but like Id be a little conscious of what it is

 

[Arkieboy457]

Counter point... if you are on the stand do you want them showing off a $3-8k gun as "the murder weapon" selling a story about how you were looking forward to that day and potentially looking for an opportunity to escalate the situation?

Not saying carry a glock but like Id be a little conscious of what it is

Not doubting your logic or saying it wouldn’t happen, but I’m not sure why the cost of it increases the likelihood of you carrying with malice. Same can be said if carrying a Glock.

 

[Financeguy88]

Not doubting your logic or saying it wouldn’t happen, but I’m not sure why the cost of it increases the likelihood of you carrying with malice. Same can be said if carrying a Glock.

Its about perception. People hate wealthy people so if you are perceived as such it's a negative.

If you arent wealthy and just prioritize spending on a gun it goes back to "you've been looking for an opportunity to do this which is why you have spent so much money on your gun"

Not saying you are wrong in wanting to carry something nice and/or you feel comfortable with there is just a very different perception of a glock/FN/M&P basic gun and something super nice.

Most people arent "gun people" so to them seeing a $4k pistol may send a different message than how you view it.

Im not disagreeing with you just pointing out the potential pitfalls/challenges in the approach

 

[DRD]

Is a 5000 dollar 5 inch steel gun the best tool for carrying or is simply a dudes version of a Louie vutton purse.

Reality check: $5K might make a decent deposit on a "Louis Vuitton version" of a high end custom 1911. ($5K is a reasonable price of a good semi-custom.)

OP argument is valid. My guess is that you're more likely to get a gun stolen than confiscated due to a shooting.

 

[DRD]

Most people arent "gun people" so to them seeing a $4k pistol may send a different message than how you view it.

People who are not "gun" people will have no clue of the value of what you are carrying.

 

[KTS]

People who are not "gun" people will have no clue of the value of what you are carrying.

Prosecution is likely to leverage that and disclose the price to achieve whatever narrative they need to secure a conviction.

carry what you want but make no mistake everything will come under a microscope. Situational awareness and appropriate threat assessments will get you out of just about anything most of the time.

I carry a Colt government model not really because I’m worried about my nicer 1911s will look like held up in a court room but primarily because I am 1000 percent more likely to tear it up or have it stolen than I am to ever need to use it.

and the other reality to this is that the way the pistol operates, its manual of arms, and your training/experience with it will make a significantly larger difference than how nice that type of pistol is. As long as everything is working correctly and within proper standards.

We don’t carry our “nicest” pistols because we need that level of performance from the pistol. We carry it because we spent good money on it and don’t like the idea of it collecting dust in our safe.

So my take on this is carry what you want but just keep in mind all the possibilities or carrying a weapon. Legal or otherwise.

 

[PI Lawyer]

I'm not certain a bias would flow against a 1911, no matter the price. I would suspect a more negative association would be attributed to a Glock or similar polymer gun, as it is showcased more by the media in crime/gang coverage (the switches, the switches!). Similarly, public attitudes toward the AR15 and variants have been painted in a negative light due to media coverage. I recall a survey of self-defense shootings comparing those who used an AR15 or similar variant versus a Ruger MIni-14. Those "defenders" who used the Ruger were significantly less likely to be convicted by a jury when the shoot was questionable.

 

[bac1023]

Going to keep this as short as possible.

People always bring up the fact you may lose your gun (forever or for several years) if involved in a self defense situation. For this reason people say they wouldn’t or you shouldn’t carry an expensive EDC.

I call bullshit. If you end up in a court room over your self defense shooting your lawyer fees for a single day will be more than most pistols - even your semi customs. Source: I’m a lawyer and see what fees we charge (in a small/mid market) everyday.

If a couple thousand dollars will bankrupt you, maybe the story is different…otherwise, run what you got. Self defense shootings are expensive. Get carry insurance.

I’ll step down from my soapbox. Hope everyone has a good weekend.

I guess I look at it differently. I’ve got a 7-figure handgun collection, but choose to carry a SA Hellcat. Why? It’s the perfect size and weight and it’s very reliable.

 

[Hoss Sauce]

I enjoy unique, well crafted things. Call it what you want, but I get enjoyment out of nice watches, cars, guns, ect. Younger me wanted nice things to show off, older me has found joy in using and owning them. I sold a handful of guns that were nice/rare but sat in my safe un-used so I could buy my counselor. I bought it with the intention of carrying it 99% of the time, which I do. I enjoy getting to carry it throughout the day.

Someone commented in one of my threads recently “what’s your reaction when you’re ordered to drop it and kick it over to an officer”. Job well done, thank God I’m still standing. I hope to never be in that situation, but the LEAST of my concerns will be the gun I used to defend myself/family. Money comes and goes, you only get one life.