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New rule change on ammo storage being pushed by biden's ATF

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#1 ·
biden's ATF is proposing a new rule change on storing ammo and explosives (gunpowder). 18 U.S.C. 847.
Under the guise of public safety, biden wants everyone who stores ammo and gunpowder to be required to report what they are storing and where it is stored and report it to your local fire department each year. Details such as type of explosives, magazine capacity, and location/locations where it is stored are to be made every 12 months as long as said materials are being stored. If you no longer store explosive materials, you must notify the authorities.
Written notifications must be kept by the individual for 5 years and be ready for examination or inspection by the ATF.
The idea is that in case of an emergency, fire, earthquake and similar disasters the authorities need to know what is stored, where and how much, so they are trying to sell this as a public safety rule change.
I can see how this might be of interest in case of disaster, but we all know that the ATF is pushing this for other reasons.
The comment section is already open and accepting public comments. So what do you think of this new infringement of your 2nd Amendment rights?
 
#4 ·
It's a rule change that the ATF is trying to make to the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970, specifically found in chapter 11. The specific referral is Title XI Public law 91-452, sec. 1101.84.

Hopefully it will not pass, but it shows that biden is not done attacking our 2nd amendment rights yet.

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#5 ·
This fits in to the timeline with the 78th Session of the U.N. General Assembly forming what they call an “Open-Ended Working Group” (OEWG) on conventional ammunition. It's goal is to reduce and identify "stockpiles of ammunition" and initially would have called for regulation of private citizens access to ammunition. Its part of the ongoing move to "boil the frog slowly" by increasing the heat on law abiding firearms owners. I've gotten a few emails regarding the topic from the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners group. The other part of the story is their return to discussing regulation of "dum-dum bullets" i.e. modern hollow point ammunition.
 
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#8 ·
A clear violation of the 4th Amendment as applied to firearm ammo, etc. (there, also the 2nd). You can bet your behind that they will next seek to define firearm ammunition as "explosives" for that purpose. They do these things in steps, to try and take the majority off guard, here, thinking, "hmmm ... I don't store gunpowder, I store ammo for my pistols and rifles. Why would anyone need to keep barrels of gunpowder?" The next rule defines your cartridges as "explosive materials." They will then track ammo sales, and if you buy large amounts of ammo but don't report, they can prosecute you on process crimes, which they will then argue in court don't pertain to your constitutional rights. These scum are always 3 or more steps ahead.
 
#15 · (Edited)
Yep, my first thought. You'd be under no legal obligation to report such information. This was recently hashed out in the legal community regarding the ATF going door-to-door to check serial numbers.

SCOTUS has also ruled such reporting requirements are 5th amendment violations if any guns are illegally owned. So unironically if this were upheld on 4th amendment grounds criminals would be exempt.

The Department of Justice is proposing to amend Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (“ATF”) regulations to require that any person who stores explosive materials notify on an annual basis the authority having jurisdiction for fire safety in the locality in which the explosive materials are being stored of the type of explosives, magazine capacity, and location of each site where such materials are stored.

Gun powder burns; doesn't explode, so it's clearly not included in an explosive reporting requirement. And what would be the point of reporting magazine capacity? How is that possibly relevant? Is the issue that the ammo might catch fire? Any person with a brain can ascertain they want to know what you have and where you have it for the purposes of confiscation and no other reason. Not even trying to be subtle anymore.
 
#21 ·
And what would be the point of reporting magazine capacity? How is that possibly relevant?
This refers to a powder cabinet, AKA "Explosives Storage Magazine"

There are regs on powder storage. Example, in a residential setting (IIRC) it's a wooden cabinet minumum 1" thickness on all sides, top and bottom, must be vented or able to vent pressure, capacity of 50 lbs smokeless powder

From NFPA:

14.3.7.1
Smokeless propellants intended for personal use in quantities not exceeding 9.1 kg (20 lb) shall be permitted to be stored in
original containers in residences.
14.3.7.2
Quantities exceeding 9.1 kg (20 lb), but not exceeding 22.7 kg (50 lb), shall be permitted to be stored in residences where kept in
a wooden box or cabinet having walls of at least 25.4 mm (1 in.) nominal thickness or other container having a fire resistance of 1
hour
 
#24 ·
Clickbait for the guy selling coffee.
This thing is 50 years old. In 1998 it was revised. Then again it was revised in 2013. The current proposal is to have the 10,000 entities that participate in these executive orders and DOJ revisions to report annually and within 90 days of significant changes.
“ ATF estimates that this rulemaking ( if approved ) will have an impact on approximately 9,674 licensees or permittees, and that notification will take 30 minutes per occasion. “