[Obarrera]

I was at the factory a couple weeks ago and they announced the OPD was getting those.

And how was it? I've been wanting to go and do a tour there. It's really nice that they have the LEO program. Where you get a loaner while yours is being held for evidence. I don't think any other company does that. Which was one of the main factors in carrying my XC on duty

 

[AJP]

And how was it? I've been wanting to go and do a tour there. It's really nice that they have the LEO program. Where you get a loaner while yours is being held for evidence. I don't think any other company does that. Which was one of the main factors in carrying my XC on duty

The new factory is a very impressive facility. Definitely worth a tour if you find yourself out that way.

 

[awmp]

Wow, that department has some money, nice selection for a duty pistol.

What holster did they select?

 

[1911operator]

Lol, that is definitely the old mindset, but carry comps on fighting guns have come a long way in the past 10-15 years. There are a lot of Staccato XC's already being used in duty capacity and performing great. I think it is awesome that an agency is stepping up and giving their men and women the best tool they can.

Having several years and a ton of rounds through XC's, I would not hesitate to carry one in a duty capacity. In fact, I'd put mine in service tomorrow if they would give me permission.

No way is it Old Mindset. It’s COMMON SENSE. I‘m 100% behind giving them a great platform like the Staccato, but to issue, what basically is a firearm set up for competition, is, IMHO detrimental to officer safety. The big issue is SLIDE CUTS. A known fact, they are the weak point, allowing debris, possible foreign objects to enter and cause a malfunction. The ”P” is the better choice or build the XC and leave off the cuts.

 

[og556]

Lol, that is definitely the old mindset, but carry comps on fighting guns have come a long way in the past 10-15 years. There are a lot of Staccato XC's already being used in duty capacity and performing great. I think it is awesome that an agency is stepping up and giving their men and women the best tool they can.

Having several years and a ton of rounds through XC's, I would not hesitate to carry one in a duty capacity. In fact, I'd put mine in service tomorrow if they would give me permission.

My experience mirrors yours with the XC.

 

[AJP]

No way is it Old Mindset. It’s COMMON SENSE. I‘m 100% behind giving them a great platform like the Staccato, but to issue, what basically is a firearm set up for competition, is, IMHO detrimental to officer safety. The big issue is SLIDE CUTS. A known fact, they are the weak point, allowing debris, possible foreign objects to enter and cause a malfunction. The ”P” is the better choice or build the XC and leave off the cuts.

I will agree that an XC without slide cuts would be most optimal, but I also feel the concerns of debris entering the firearm through slide cuts is very overstated. Perhaps if you are working in a sand prominent area that may be a valid concern. Outside of that, basic firearm maintenance and dry fire should take care of any lint and french fry build up. Now, I'll grant you there are plenty of Officers who neglect these things, and for them, there are certainly things about the XC that could cause problems, but then that runs deeper than slide cuts as well.

 

[Linkmaco3]

Wow, that alone would be motivation for a gun enthusiast to apply for the job..

 

[1L26]

And how was it? I've been wanting to go and do a tour there. It's really nice that they have the LEO program. Where you get a loaner while yours is being held for evidence. I don't think any other company does that. Which was one of the main factors in carrying my XC on duty

The new facility is very nice. Out in the middle of nowhere but cool and just down the road from Dawson precision. If you're ever in The Austin/Waco vicinity contact them and see if you can get in on a tour. We went into the ammunition area and that should be up and running in a few months.

 

[ShowMeQC]

I have been asking this question about the slide cuts like with the new heritage P, whats the point of the cuts?

I worry about the debris as well, never been a fan of slide windows on pistols, but if its anything like rifle testing I have seen, maybe the action of shooting the gun, blows out most debris anyways?

 

[whan]

Honestly, my main wonder about these departments issuing 2011s broadly is around maintenance. 1911s/2011s are great guns (obviously, we're all on this forum) but they require a lot more care to make sure they run well vs. typical striker guns like Glocks, P320s or M&Ps.

1911/2011s in particular I find are pretty lube sensitive - I recall once using Infinity's blue lube in 45F degree weather at a match and my 9mm infinity 1911 had malfunctions because of how thick the lube got in the cold. I'd imagine for something like the XC, being sprung relatively light to correspond with the comp, it'll also be sensitive as well including lack of lube. Combine that with replacing recoil springs more frequently because of how light they are, I don't know if it's really a great idea to issue them to standard cops who probably aren't going to take the time to do any of this, given a lot of them don't even hit the range that often

Compare that to Glocks, which Ben Stoeger literally says he can just run into the ground, without replacing recoil springs for 40k, maybe cleaning every 10k, and barely lubing either

 

[tpiini]

I like my XC but don't see it as ideal for a duty pistol. Maybe these will be sprung differently than a standard XC, as I saw extreme sluggishness with minimal dirt build up with the factory recoil weight. I really wonder how these will handle a cold environment like Canada.

This looks more like someone has money to spend in the department and is taking advantage.

I believe you’re thinking about another Ontario. This one’s in SoCal.

 

[Whitty]

The loaner in the event of an OIS is pretty unique. A little off topic here, but JP Enterprises in MN does the same thing for LEOs using a personal rifle. It came about because the former range master of my department is friends with the owner (John Paul), and he explained to JP that our firearms are held as evidence for 7 years after an OIS. He explained that a lot of cops were hesitant to buy such a nice patrol rifle for that reason.

Big plus for Staccato‘s LE program. They also recently had a 25% discount and six magazines included for LE purchases.

 

[Long Branch Setter]

I heard Vegas PD was issuing Staccato’s too but not sure what model.
. If they are issuing these in Ontario I wonder why? Isn’t Canada a utopian paradise with no crime and restricted civilian access to handguns? Are they issuing ammo and evil hi cap magazines? If so the magazines alone will cause thousands of innocent deaths. I’d say Trudeau and his libtard lovers are pissed, if not is it only OK for the government but not for citizens whose money they stole to buy them. OMG Canada will fall to its knees as soon as they are delivered.

Sorry guys, couldn’t help asking 🤣

 

[Ethank]

Wow, that department has some money, nice selection for a duty pistol.

What holster did they select?

The new safariland ALS that fits the new RMR and SRO.

 

[Ethank]

The guns will come with the 4lb trigger and 9 lb recoil spring. This is the standard set up for “duty” XC guns.

I know of at least one other department that issues XCs, but it’s a much, much smaller agency.

 

[GeeQ87]

I’m not too far from Ontario, they have DEEP pockets.

I don’t own but have shot a staccato and I think it’s a good choice

 

[ShowMeQC]

I heard Vegas PD was issuing Staccato’s too but not sure what model.
. If they are issuing these in Ontario I wonder why? Isn’t Canada a utopian paradise with no crime and restricted civilian access to handguns? Are they issuing ammo and evil hi cap magazines? If so the magazines alone will cause thousands of innocent deaths. I’d say Trudeau and his libtard lovers are pissed, if not is it only OK for the government but not for citizens whose money they stole to buy them. OMG Canada will fall to its knees as soon as they are delivered.

Sorry guys, couldn’t help asking 🤣

everyone, this is Ontario California

 

[Robo]

everyone, this is Ontario California

But how different is it really ?

 

[1911operator]

I will agree that an XC without slide cuts would be most optimal, but I also feel the concerns of debris entering the firearm through slide cuts is very overstated. Perhaps if you are working in a sand prominent area that may be a valid concern. Outside of that, basic firearm maintenance and dry fire should take care of any lint and french fry build up. Now, I'll grant you there are plenty of Officers who neglect these things, and for them, there are certainly things about the XC that could cause problems, but then that runs deeper than slide cuts as well.

I speak from 40 years experience, as a LEO. You are so correct when saying “ there are plenty of officers who neglect these things”. Patrol officers live/work in and around nasty environments. You can’t stop to check your firearm 10 times a day. It’s usually checked the beginning of your tour and gets holstered until it’s needed or removed and wiped down, inspected at the end of your tour. Foreign Objects and Debris, FOD, have a way of showing up, whether on a flight line, driveway or your HOLSTER. Trust me, I’ve seen it first hand over the years.

I can live with the muzzle break, but the cuts are the deal breaker for me and should have been for those evaluating the guns, if they had any real life experience, which is what I find perplexing.

 

[AJP]

I speak from 40 years experience, as a LEO. You are so correct when saying “ there are plenty of officers who neglect these things”. Patrol officers live/work in and around nasty environments. You can’t stop to check your firearm 10 times a day. It’s usually checked the beginning of your tour and gets holstered until it’s needed or removed and wiped down, inspected at the end of your tour. Foreign Objects and Debris, FOD, have a way of showing up, whether on a flight line, driveway or your HOLSTER. Trust me, I’ve seen it first hand over the years.

I can live with the muzzle break, but the cuts are the deal breaker for me and should have been for those evaluating the guns, if they had any real life experience, which is what I find perplexing.

40 is a long time, I only speak from 15.