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Staccato P questions vs CZ Shadows

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#1 ·
I was excited to rent out a Staccato P at the range today and compare it to my CZ Custom Shadow 1. Was slightly disappointed. I felt that the trigger wasn't any nicer than the tuned trigger of my Shadow, nor did it feel much better in the hand. Maybe the finish was a tad better. Of course, I shot the CZ better but that's a given as it's my gun. But given the Shadow 2 is even better than the Shadow 1 and costs much less than the Staccato, what are the P's advantages? Grip angle? Fidelity to the 1911 spirit? Or am I just too new a shooter to notice?

That would also be relevant information because if the subtleties of quality in function are too small for me to notice, I should concentrate on aesthetics if I buy a higher end 1911/2011.
 
#2 ·
Honestly, they’re production guns that get marketed as more premium then they really are. A lot of people who shoot/borrow them are underwhelmed…whereas owners tend to give glowing reviews and put them on a pedestal. I’ve shot Shadow 2’s back to back against other 2011’s and a 2011 with aluminum/steel grip def shoots flatter and usually will have nicer triggers due to their price tag.
 
#3 ·
I have owned and shot a CZ Accushadow 2 and TSO and currently own and shoot a Staccato P. I think in comparing the two, one must recognize that the CZ’s are purpose-built for competition shooting (<2.5 trigger, heavy frame/dust cover, barrel bushing, etc.). The P is more directed at the personal defense and duty weapon market. IMHO, each platform has their strengths depending upon the application. Where I think the CZ excels in a competition setting, I generally would not carry one for concealed carry.
 
#5 ·
Like most things, it comes down to personal preference. I prefer a good 1911 trigger over the DA/SA of the CZ. The CZ is built like a tank and weighs almost as much as one. If you aren't planning on carrying then the weight advantage of the P is a moot point.

If you are looking at a higher end 1911, you may want to consider a used Nighthawk, Guncrafter or Wilson.
 
#6 ·
I've given 2011s plenty of chances. Still looking to add a Staccato P to my safe but not actively searching.

I bought a TS2 on a whim a couple months back and was indeed shocked at how flat it shot and love the weight on that puppy. Ended up buying a Cajun-ized P01 because I liked the TS2 so much.

Just one man's take.
 
#9 ·
1911 trigger is to me the biggest advantage to a 2011 vs other double stacks. Out of the box Staccato, especially made for carry/duty, is not a great example of an excellent 1911 trigger.

In addition, many go between 1911 and 2011 and same trigger characteristics ease the transition.

And it’s 1911’nness is part of the appeal.
 
#12 ·
I have a Shadow 2 I’ve done a little work on I also have a TSO, when I bought the Staccato P with a red dot it was a let down and I was kicking myself for spending that kind of money .I took it to the range to make my self shoot it hopefully it would grow on me on the fifth time out it shined .it maybe the most accurate ,it is the softest shooting .I find myself shooting it more than the shadow TSO and P-01 put togeather .don’t get me wrong I’m a CZ/ Dan Wesson fan .have been for years but I would not sell my Staccatto now where I would have when I first got it
 
#14 ·
Like previously stated, Staccato transitioned from the competition market to the duty carry market, so it's not really a fair comparison to put it against a gun purpose built for competition. I have STI's built for competition and I just purchased a Staccato XC. The XC is by far the best pistol I have shot. I have not shot an Atlas yet. The XL has the 2.5 lbs trigger like the XC but with a very pronounced hard wall. It's not like your standard 2.5 lbs competition trigger that just rolls into the break. Very flat shooting, very accurate.
 
#15 ·
But you're making the point for me. Since there doesn't seem to be a 1911/2011 at the $2000 price point that is comparable to and superior to the CZ Shadow 2 across the board, if I want something in the 2000-3000 range, I might as well focus on looks, finishing, features, etc. since that's what one gets that I could appreciate in that range. Any difference in shooting or feel seems insignificant to me, hence leaving aesthetics or reliability as the main things I should focus on should I choose to buy a deluxe 1911/2011.
 
#17 ·
One more thing to note a Cz shadows trigger is Da/sa staccato is SA but it’s a defense gun so it will not have a light trigger nor should it , the CZ TSO is SA and the best factory trigger I’ve ever seen beats Shadow And Staccato but it’s a compilation gun not a duty gun so it’s really what ever the shooter prefers all make an excellent range toy