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Discussion starter · #21 ·
Just asked this same question myself a month or so back.

I've decided on a Staccato XC and one of the Bul Armory variants.
Yeah I’ve gone back and forth between diminishing returns at some point and not wanting to buy a budget pistol and dump a bunch of money in it. I think the xc is what I’m going to go with. I can always upgrade little things on an already amazing 2011.
 
Yeah I’ve gone back and forth between diminishing returns at some point and not wanting to buy a budget pistol and dump a bunch of money in it. I think the xc is what I’m going to go with. I can always upgrade little things on an already amazing 2011.
I did purchase two Prodigies, with the intention to use them as builder platforms. I think they're pretty good for short money, and some modest upgrades turns them into solid shooters. But, they aren't Staccato or Bul territory.
 
I took the mid range approach from the start. I went with a Jacob Grey TWC9 with Highly opinionated reviews. It runs well, requiring no modifications unless you just desire them. Also point out that neither a 1911 or 2011 is the Wilson Combat X series of pistols. They run and shoot well. However just like @PhilaPop and others have stated a used Nighthawk can be afforded. I can't get the smile off my face for hours after shooting mine. Yes it was used. All 3 have answered different questions for me. The TWC9 and Wilson budgets with plenty of room left to purchase more ammo. The TRS Comp, I've had to rethink my ammo purchases. How's that go? Never Enough Ammo. Good Luck on your Journey.

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This has been a fascinating thread to read through. In my mind, I consider the Tisas B9R duty, Tisas Night Stalker, the MAC DS 1911, EA Witness Match, LFA Apollo, the RI TACs, and the Great Lakes Synergy "entry level" 2011s (all around $950 or less). I would consider the Prodigy, the AF Romulus, the Kimber 2K11s, the RIA 5.0e, the Oracle Arms 2311, and the cheaper end of BUL armory's offerings as mid-range ($1,400-$2,500). After that would come your Jacob Greys, you lower-end MPAs and Staccatos, etc, up to the $4k range. Then you'd hit the XC, Phoenix Trinity, Alchemy Quantico HiCaps, Cosaint CO21s, Legion Precisions, Combat Precisions, Vulcan 11s, etc. Then your ultra premiums at the top......Always interesting to see other's viewpoints thought; great thread!
 
Staccato XC is going to be the benchmark at $4k. I have one and it’s great, but I’ve already started climbing the price ladder on 2011s. Another $4k option I’m curious about is Race City Defense. I have a @KOVERT x Race City on order that I’m anxious to get and try. I was able to handle a Race City commander at a shop a few hours away and it felt great - build quality you would expect at $4k that other options don’t deliver. The grip is very unique in a good way - aggressive without feeling like it will tear your hand apart.
 
I'll throw in a hidden gem in the recommended line up.A Guncrafter Hellcat X2 ,they do pop up in the $3k-4k range.
I have XC,XL,Titan and the GI Hellcat is right there with them.Fit and finish is a step above Staccato but a step below Atlas from the ones i have.All Run without issue.
 
What’s up guys, just sold my prodigy and looking to upgrade from budget to mid grade. Everyone is always looking for best budget but I’m looking for best mid range.

I want to purchase a 2011 that doesn’t need any gunsmith work to run well. My budget is about $4k. Looking hard at Staccato XC blem for $3800. I’ve looked at masterpiece also.

I don’t shoot completions but want a fun range gun that is also reliable enough for home defense if ever necessary.

Any others I should consider? From my online investigation Staccato seems to be like the Rolex of the 2011 world, may not be the best but it is the gold standard everyone looks to and that the budget guns try to reach.

Thanks in advance guys.
What was the issue with the Prodidgy? If all your doing is plinking and home defense, the should be fine.

Do you have a range that may rent higher end 2011's. I really didn't find much of a difference between a 4000-dollar XC and a 7000-dollar Atlas Erebus. If you could find a good deal on an XC, its a pretty good shooter.
 
With a $4,000 budget I'd probably look at:

Staccato P
  • DLC barrel +$100
  • Flat Aluminum Trigger +$80
  • 3.0-3.5lbs trigger weight +$100
  • X Serrations +$250
  • 4x 20rd mags +$280
  • Optic of your choice, for this to stay around $4k add Holosun 509T w/ mounting
Total: $3,870.
This pricing is off of staccato's website which is of course all at MSRP. You can find optic, mounting plates, and mags for a bit cheaper elsewhere.

You'd have a pretty sweet rig with that. Staccato P has tons of holsters from anything to IWB, OWB, LVL 2, LVL 3 retention, holsters are in stock easy to find. Add another ~$120 for nice holster
Mag carriers. Need 2 at minimum. Add another ~$100.

A Staccato P with a some of the sought out features like the x serrations (Staccato's X serrations are some of the best in 2011's - fight me), DLC barrel, and their flat trigger at 3lbs is a phenomenal shooting gun and definitely what I would consider "mid-tier". You would not be unhappy with it.

Being a "duty" style gun with a flat trigger and a lighter trigger of 3lbs, it'd more than fit every role of home defense, range fun, and if you one day compete which I HIGHLY suggest everyone does, you can show up with that and not be lacking in the gear department.

If you wanted something OTHER than Staccato and staying in that $4k price range, I'd highly recommend the Jacob Gray Hex. It's 4.25'' with a ported slide and barrel. At 4.25" it's a bit shorter which you may or may not prefer, but has nice crisp, tight flat faced metal ~3.5lbs trigger, and the grip module feels good. I've met the owners of the company and they are very down to earth and have great customer service. The JG hex gets you a metal grip module if that's something you're interested in.

MPA DS9 Hybrids look great. We are MPA dealers but we don't have any DS9's in stock and haven't ordered any. We've just been getting their bolt guns. I'd like to see some of these in person as they are priced right with some nice features. Others here on the forum have MPA's and love em.

I don't consider the XC as mid-tier. I consider it the beginning of the high-tier models that everyone compares it too. X series staccatos (XC and XL) have more gun smith fitting and tighter tolerances than their other models for those that are curious.
 
Discussion starter · #34 ·
I took the mid range approach from the start. I went with a Jacob Grey TWC9 with Highly opinionated reviews. It runs well, requiring no modifications unless you just desire them. Also point out that neither a 1911 or 2011 is the Wilson Combat X series of pistols. They run and shoot well. However just like @PhilaPop and others have stated a used Nighthawk can be afforded. I can't get the smile off my face for hours after shooting mine. Yes it was used. All 3 have answered different questions for me. The TWC9 and Wilson budgets with plenty of room left to purchase more ammo. The TRS Comp, I've had to rethink my ammo purchases. How's that go? Never Enough Ammo. Good Luck on your Journey.

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That TRS Comp is gorgeous.
 
Discussion starter · #35 ·
This has been a fascinating thread to read through. In my mind, I consider the Tisas B9R duty, Tisas Night Stalker, the MAC DS 1911, EA Witness Match, LFA Apollo, the RI TACs, and the Great Lakes Synergy "entry level" 2011s (all around $950 or less). I would consider the Prodigy, the AF Romulus, the Kimber 2K11s, the RIA 5.0e, the Oracle Arms 2311, and the cheaper end of BUL armory's offerings as mid-range ($1,400-$2,500). After that would come your Jacob Greys, you lower-end MPAs and Staccatos, etc, up to the $4k range. Then you'd hit the XC, Phoenix Trinity, Alchemy Quantico HiCaps, Cosaint CO21s, Legion Precisions, Combat Precisions, Vulcan 11s, etc. Then your ultra premiums at the top......Always interesting to see other's viewpoints thought; great thread!
Yeah so I guess I’m looking for Upper Mid Range or Lower Premium Range haha.
 
Discussion starter · #36 ·
What was the issue with the Prodidgy? If all your doing is plinking and home defense, the should be fine.

Do you have a range that may rent higher end 2011's. I really didn't find much of a difference between a 4000-dollar XC and a 7000-dollar Atlas Erebus. If you could find a good deal on an XC, its a pretty good shooter.
No issues with prodigy I’m just outgrowing my modified gun era/tinkering and want more reliability/higher quality out of the box, I guess I’d be lying if I also didn’t like the staccato brand name in my holster either. I will have to call around, but I do not know of any ranges off the top of my head. So far the best deal I have found is a Staccato XC Blem for about $3800.
 
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