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Hudson H9 Review (ongoing after numerous range trips)

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#1 · (Edited)
First off, a disclaimer. I am a 1911 guy. I did NOT purchase this firearm as some level of "modern" 1911 replacement or otherwise. I am perfectly happy with my S.A. Elite Operator, Colt Delta Elite, and 2 Dan Wessons to serve in that capacity.

Simply stated, I was interested in looking at a novel design and trying it out! Is it worth the hype? Does it do what the creators state? Is it what JMB would have designed were he working in the 21st Century?

Well I picked up the pistol mid-day today. I have been on a wait locally for a few months (and not in any hurry, hence why I didn't lurk on GB waiting to pay more than list price to get a copy). I gave it a quick wipe-down and lube and went to the range.

200 rounds later...a preliminary evaluation...(Blazer Brass 115gr)

1 FTF in the middle of the 2nd mag I shot (approx round 20, give or take). No other issues while firing through this first 200.

I did notice a common issue when swapping mags...sometimes the first round wouldn't feed when utilizing the slide stop to chamber the round (vs. racking). No other issues once the slide is in battery, but this one seemed a little strange. One thing I noticed is that the magazines have STIFF springs at the outset. I can't help but wonder if this is only a temporary issue. Others have noted that tapping the mags after loading to settle the rounds seems to resolve the issue. Anecdotally I can say this worked, but I have a funny feeling if I load the mags and let them sit a few days this will resolve. I will keep my eyes on this one long-term just in case I decide I want to carry it.

Design, Feel, and Shooting:
This pistol is reasonably heavy. I was, however, not really blown away by the weight...and perhaps that is because I carry a DW Valkyrie 9mm daily...which while not AS heavy is substantial enough in its own right. 15 rounds in a such a relatively thin grip is nothing to shake one's head at folks...the grip feels a LOT like a standard width government 1911, albeit with a shorter barrel. The extra mass up-front balances out when mags are loaded to capacity, and it feels great in the hand. I would say presentation and sight acquisition are not "just like" 1911, but somewhere between a Glock and a 1911 despite the nearly 1911 grip angle. I think this is a function of the rear sight height.

One thing I will note here from a functional perspective. Many report it shoots low. I 100% disagree (or Hudson started shipping with a different front sight recently). I agree 100% that the feel of recoil laterally is substantially different than in most any pistol I can think of, and that because of this, the recoil expectation might persuade someone to shoot low at first. If one is a great shot and has no such bad habits, the trigger feel is VERY different than just about anything I can think of (save one, more on that in a moment) that I could see the adjustment to this driving some shots low. I however, never had that issue.

Accuracy: I did not have issues making decent groups at 10-15 yards. I don't pistol shoot on hand-rests, and am not focussed on punching tiny holes in round targets particularly (though I certainly can if I get a bug to do so). I did not find cause to believe the pistol was inaccurate by design. Moreover, while rapid-firing, I found that the horizontal recoil impulse meant that I could make follow-up shots extremely quickly and hit a paper-plate sized area at 15 yards no problem. Over and over. I am no pro....but I just didn't have a problem in that regard. I would put up pics of targets, but I was just feeling this thing out and not trying to dazzle folks with my shooting prowess (mostly because there isn't any said prowess), and once I have 700-1000 rounds through it, I will be comfortable it is broken in and judge accuracy and reliability at that point (like I do my 1911s).

Trigger: I don't know how to really compare it to anything. It's not a 1911 trigger. My best comparison is to that of the Colt Mustang/P938 micro variants - or at least it shoots like them. The trigger pull is not as heavy, but the pivoting action and take up reminds me of my P938 if I had to try and make it relatable...but simply stated, it is its own thing and takes a little getting used to. What I really did like is that the travel and reset, at least in my copy, are pretty short...and as such, it is a lot more like a 1911 than any other striker-fired pistol I have shot. My VP9SK has a fantastic trigger "for a striker," and I feel like this is a step beyond that (meaning better) in terms of feel and break.

Recoil: A LOT has been talked about in this regard. To me it was really simple. Recoil goes back, not up. Virtually no muzzle jump really exists. The best thing I can equate it to is shooting a rifle in that the impulse is directed largely back...and it makes for a nearly instantaneous reset for a follow-up shot.

Final Thoughts (and end of my novel):
Is this pistol for everyone? No, not at all. I happen to really like it...but I have a funny feeling that any purist looking for some great new thing that handles like the Browning designs would be disappointed. We should give the Hudson's a little credit here - this really is its own thing...so tempering expectations and having an open mind are a good thing in this case.

Anyways...here is a pic I took with my other EDC tools. I really like it and can't wait to shoot it again and again! Personally I think it was worth the wait, and I think Hudson is on to something with their design.
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#6 · (Edited)
You got it!

Top-down field strip per manual. Note that that recoil spring is not removed (nor are the instructions provided):
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Recoil Spring and assembly are pinned into the frame. I have no intention of breaking this down until absolutely necessary. Online instructions are available.
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Top of the grip. Again I’m not quite ready to break this down, but you can at least contrast against a 1911 for grins. Looks like the *******-child of a series 80 Colt and a Glock.
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Trigger and side of slide:
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Disassembled striker. Not recommended by the manual, but easy enough. Not the typical “sleeve” assembly seen on many strikers. The extractor is pinned, so I didn’t remove it.
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#10 ·
All I can say is shoot it first! I went out on a limb having only previously held two in the hand (and played with their triggers, which is what was intriguing to me). I can’t emphasize enough this really is unique. Many won’t like it, that’s for sure. I can’t help but think of Glocks when they were new...it took quite some time for folks to warm up the them.
 
#18 · (Edited)
I wanted to add a follow-up to this initial posting, as there really aren't many resources around the web, especially on discussion forums, about the Hudson H9. In that light I want to add a few things since my last post for those who may be out there searching for current (into 2018) product information.

Since the initial posting, I have had 2 distinct issues with the pistol, both now corrected.

Issue 1: About 2 weeks after the first review, the pistol started to miss-feed often. The slide rarely returned into battery. Into the second range session trying to figure this out, the firing pin/striker assemblies locked back towards the rear of the slide and wouldn't budge. I am sure I could have used some tools to return it, but given the pistol was new and under warranty coverage, I contacted Hudson, received a return label, and sent it in (the slide and barrel as per the direction of the warranty department). Approximately 3.5 weeks later, it was back in my hands and repaired. I never followed up to ask what happened or otherwise. At that point I returned to the range, and the pistol cycled correctly with all types of ammo I tested.

Issue 2: Not too long after the issue with the slide was repaired, the pistol began to drop magazines while firing. I marked mags, tested and tested, and it was really only dropping one mag. I am a member of the Hudson H9 group on Facebook, and after I posted the issue, several others apparently had the same issue as well, in varying severity. Cy Hudson IMMEDIATELY responded and set up a program to swap the mag-catch with a new one, as he believed there was a tooling issue that caused the problem. Turn-around for the swap would have been 1 week, but the USPS delayed delivery of my shipment by 3 extra days for no apparent reason...and again, Hudson picked up the shipping tab.

So to conclude here, issues aside, I will say a few important things from a resources perspective:

Hudson Customer Service has been top-notch. They respond to inquiry quickly, are fast to get shipping labels in-hand, provide clear instructions, and genuinely seem to care about the customer experience. As I stated in another forum, I knew I would be "beta testing" a bit with a new company and design...that doesn't bother me....as long as Hudson stands behind their product. I can say, with 100% certainty, that they do...and they care immensely about those purchasing their products.

Secondly, anyone looking to purchase a Hudson H9 would do well to join the Facebook group ahead of time. Cy Hudson himself is an active member, and links to aftermarket products, vendors, etc. are all there. It is a fantastic resource for Hudson owners or perspective buyers. Lots of help to be found there, as well as a fantastic opportunity to interact with the folks who designed and brought the pistol to market.
 
#20 ·
You are quite welcome. I should add I am sticking with it and will continue to put rounds down-range. I really do love shooting it, even despite the issues I’ve had. I’m looking forward to putting that chapter in the rear-view mirror and really dialing this thing in!

I added some aftermarket grips just for fun (they are smooth, but at this point it’s just a range piece), and either way, VZ has a line released now with more grip than the set that ships with the pistol. Here is a pic (when the grips arrived, but the catch was still at Hudson for service):
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These are stabilized Buckeye burl, with a little color.
 
#22 ·
Very informative. Haven't heard about Hudson. When you had it apart, how were the part quality? Any MIM? Saw some plastic, mainly the cover. How was the fit and finish? Price?

On your tear down, how many rounds did you have through it? The original 200? If so, isn't that a lot of wear on the parts for that many rounds, so I'm assuming that the Hudson is built that tight?

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#23 ·
Actually no plastic at all on the pistol! The cover/back plate is machined aluminum (or at least that’s what it appears to be, definitely not plastic). I’m not 100% sure on MIM, but my gut tells me no. Parts quality is good, machining is precise. Lockup is tight, and slide/frame is extremely tight as well. The only rattle on the whole pistol is the “dingus” or trigger safety.

That tear down pictured was around 200 rounds. Interestingly now at over 1000, the wear is no more advanced.

Hudson is a new startup, and a novel design. It really is a pleasure to shoot. Looks like the gremlins are all worked out now.
 
#25 ·
I’m going to leave a final report here, as a friend made me an offer I couldn’t refuse for my Hudson this week...so I sold it.

After my two repairs, the pistol ran flawlessly for an additional 600 rounds of assorted ammo after my last report. The new owner put 400 through it this week, with the same result!

I want to leave the community with a few remarks that are hopefully helpful.

I’ve said it a couple times, and I’ll reiterate it again...Hudson as a company stands 100% behind their pistols and they were Johnny on the Spot with my issues. It appears in the latest production pistols that the issues have all been worked out to date as far as I can tell. Based on what I have seen (and take this with a grain of salt as the sample size isn’t huge), my serial # (2550-ish) was towards the tail end of those pistols that had the issues I experienced. I get this impression via a few offline conversations I’ve had with other owners. I won’t say steer clear of anything prior to that, it was just what I have gathered. Given that, if you see a piece north of that #, I would say proceed with confidence. Any way about it, Hudson has you covered.

I really enjoyed the pistol, but I needed the room in my somewhat small safe for things I can carry, so that was my primary motivation to make the sale outside of a very generous offer. I am confident I will be buying another Hudson in the future, perhaps the 9A when it launches.

I am always happy to address anyone’s questions publicly or via PM if the need arises.

Cheers and happy shooting!
 
#27 ·
I appreciate the kind words. I know I’ll still shoot the one I sold, as the guy I sold to and I shoot together fairly often. He really loves it as well. It’s a unique entry to the market at an interesting time...I really hope Hudson stays on their feet. I genuinely feel they are on to something from a design perspective that will distinguish them from others in the mid-cost space they entered.
 
#29 ·
Great review. I have one and it shoots very well. Several hundred rounds through it with zero issues. As you mentioned earlier if you compare it to another gun you may be disappointed. It is it’s own gun design with its own characteristics. Shoot it with an open mind and I think you will be pleasantly surprised. If you want it to shoot like a CZ or a Glock then you should probably just buy a CZ or a Glock. This is a very well put together gun. I own dozens of nice pistols and this is a nice addition and fun to shoot.