[TangoHotel]

No contract can compel the purchasing agency to continue using a product once there is compelling evidence it's defective -- in this case, potentially lethally. Each agency is well within its rights to stand down on fielding the firearm and stating why.

SIG's just doubling down on moral bankruptcy by trying to lawfare its way through this.

Well, technically you could disclaim any warranties in the contract. But at a certain point you do that at the risk that people refuse to contract with you. Regardless, I don’t think there are any disclaimer arguments in play here.

 

[M-Peltier]

I suspect this is the problem. I think Sig is scrambling and can’t figure it out, and won’t admit there’s a problem until they have a solution.

I believe it's true they do not have a solution to the problem. But I would bet lunch they know there's a problem. The issue I have with it is the longer they stall, the more potential victims of this problem there may/will be. That is inexcusable in my opinion, and if they don't take action soon I hope they get everything they deserve. At the very least they should announce the fact there's a safety issue and until a solution is perfected that users should not use them. It would be the moral thing to do.

Just for the record I am not in the "No more SIGS for me" camp. I really like my SIGS and am not about to dump em for cheap or abandon them as a company. I have no doubt that eventually the ship will right itself. Until then, my 3 P320's will be banished to the back of the safe as safe queens. I will just have to enjoy my many other SIGS until such time that this is addressed and fixed.

 

[GIJoke]

Oh s&3t!!!! After all these years are you telling me the opposition is right?!!!!?! The gun may do the killing and not the person?!!?

 

[Jimhoag]

Not all mim parts are bad. Colt and Springfield armory use good mim parts. But mim parts made in India are of of low quality metal

 

[Tom RKBA]

I’ll never own another SIG product.

I will just buy older P220, P226 and P229 pistols used. That way the company gets nothing.

 

[Uncle Bob]

No contract can compel the purchasing agency to continue using a product once there is compelling evidence it's defective -- in this case, potentially lethally. Each agency is well within its rights to stand down on fielding the firearm and stating why.

SIG's just doubling down on moral bankruptcy by trying to lawfare its way through this.

Not working well, they lost the case to force the Washington training facility to allow them. They've lost in multiple law suits against them

 

[Airdale26]

So it's bad enough that the Sig P320 is going off uncommanded. But what really turns me against Sig is the way they are trying to sue organizations who don't want to use their dangerous firearm anymore. That seems like something the liberal deep state does. How are you going to use the court system to try to force somebody to use your product? Sig considers themselves as a permanent fixture in government. Perhaps this attitude is what led them to put out inferior products with poor quality control. Just like any other government institution! Just my rant.

Ok to rant or rant away anytime but it was a matter of breach of contract.
My initial thought was the same then read into it a bit.

 

[Au Jus in Bello]

Ok to rant or rant away anytime but it was a matter of breach of contract.
My initial thought was the same then read into it a bit.

Could you point to something confirming it was a breach of contract suit?

 

[1911redneck]

I believe it's true they do not have a solution to the problem. But I would bet lunch they know there's a problem. The issue I have with it is the longer they stall, the more potential victims of this problem there may/will be. That is inexcusable in my opinion, and if they don't take action soon I hope they get everything they deserve. At the very least they should announce the fact there's a safety issue and until a solution is perfected that users should not use them. It would be the moral thing to do.

Just for the record I am not in the "No more SIGS for me" camp. I really like my SIGS and am not about to dump em for cheap or abandon them as a company. I have no doubt that eventually the ship will right itself. Until then, my 3 P320's will be banished to the back of the safe as safe queens. I will just have to enjoy my many other SIGS until such time that this is addressed and fixed.

When have morals ever been involved when it comes to making a profit

 

[schmidtg]

I’ll never own another SIG product.

You don't want to be a beta tester?

 

[rr12267]

SIG should look at TriggerTech on how they should have handled this.

 

[M-Peltier]

When I have morals, you’ve ever been involved when it comes to making a profit

Was that "Talk to text" or something.Lol
I think I get what you're saying, but seriously one does not negate the other. I have run my own very profitable business here in my county for near 20 years. I can go into any restaurant or business and not worry about meeting an unhappy customer. In fact, I can't tell you how many times bumping into a previous customer turned into more work. I can assure you it's not due to a lack of morals running my business. My unofficial motto is "Hold yourself to the highest standard".

 

[1911redneck]

Was that "Talk to text" or something.Lol
I think I get what you're saying, but seriously one does not negate the other. I have run my own very profitable business here in my county for near 20 years. I can go into any restaurant or business and not worry about meeting an unhappy customer. In fact, I can't tell you how many times bumping into a previous customer turned into more work. I can assure you it's not due to a lack of morals running my business. My unofficial motto is "Hold yourself to the highest standard".

Yes it was talk to text. Supposed to say since when have morals been involved when it comes to making a profit. I myself am a plumber and hold myself to a higher standard because it’s right and the only thing you have in this business is your reputation

 

[Buccaneer12]

Yes it was talk to text. Supposed to say since when have morals been involved when it comes to making a profit. I myself am a plumber and hold myself to a higher standard because it’s right and the only thing you have in this business is your reputation

in the age where private equity firms are buying up HVAC and Plumbing companies and charging people up to $900/hr, you should be proud of that.

 

[Ingramite]

My approach to problem solving has always been non-traditional.

As an example, right now I'm working on co-phasing my Atomic Hair Splitter with my Time Machine.

The Atomic Hair Splitter will dig every speck of fly poop from the pepper. The Time Machine will allow us to turn back the hands of time to fix things and make them right.

The result of these lab experiments will show that knowing what we know today, then turning back the hands of time, SIG wouldn't have the problems they have today.

SIG would have lost the contract and Beretta would be on the run from the ambulance chasers and freedom haters.

NOTE- I did have to employ Artificial Intelligence to come up with this conclusion.

 

[Revjoshv]

No contract can compel the purchasing agency to continue using a product once there is compelling evidence it's defective -- in this case, potentially lethally. Each agency is well within its rights to stand down on fielding the firearm and stating why.

SIG's just doubling down on moral bankruptcy by trying to lawfare its way through this.

I didn’t say that. If there are signed contracts, it’s normal and reasonable to assume that the contract spells out specifically what to do if there are issues like this. There’s procedure. There’s protocol and everyone is aware of what to do if an issue like this arises.

It’s the same exact thing that happens when you sign onto a new job and make you agree to arbitration instead of a lawsuit to see if the issues can get resolved without the use of courts. It’s standard procedure for any company that’s going a contract to deliver goods. Warranties, defectives, etc….TEAMS of lawyers on both sides view these contracts before they’re signed.

 

[puddi_nugget]

I didn’t say that. If there are signed contracts, it’s normal and reasonable to assume that the contract spells out specifically what to do if there are issues like this. There’s procedure. There’s protocol and everyone is aware of what to do if an issue like this arises.

It’s the same exact thing that happens when you sign onto a new job and make you agree to arbitration instead of a lawsuit to see if the issues can get resolved without the use of courts. It’s standard procedure for any company that’s going a contract to deliver goods. Warranties, defectives, etc….TEAMS of lawyers on both sides view these contracts before they’re signed.

I don’t think the P320 is defective, it was designed on a P250 and advertised and sold as something it is not.

 

[schmidtg]

SIG should look at TriggerTech on how they should have handled this.

Offering a full refund is what SIG should've done. Kudos to TT.

 

[Tom RKBA]

in the age where private equity firms are buying up HVAC and Plumbing companies and charging people up to $900/hr, you should be proud of that.

I need to start such a company and get bought out!

 

[PeterParker56]

If I was running Sig.
1) Stop making new 320s except to fill contacts. Don’t accept any new contacts for the 320.
2) Quietly set up a company to purchase the 320s as cheaply as possible. Save the magazines and sell them. Destroy the pistols to get them permanently off the market. There will always be some left. Those will become rare collectors items sitting in safes around the world.
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